Living In Awareness – a conversation with Rupert Spira & Mark Vernon

An MP3 version of this conversation is on my podcast feed, Talks and Thoughts.

Rupert Spira and I met for a second conversation, beginning with one of William Blake’s great exclamations of nondual awareness:

“Awake! awake O sleeper of the land of shadows, wake! expand!
I am in you and you in me, mutual in love divine
I am not a God afar off, I am a brother and friend;
Within your bosoms I reside, and you reside in me:
Lo! we are One”

We discussed the meanings of suffering and death that feel so needed and neglected in our times; different possibilities for the experience of time and the value of disagreement, similarly overlooked; the role of the erotic, play and the imagination on this path; and the reality of angels and the guidance of myths.

1:39 The presence of nondualism today
3:30 The meaning of suffering
16:59 The true nature of death
23:39 A different experience of time: Chronos, Kairos, Eternity
36:06 The drivers of consumption and desiring heaven on earth
42:29 The value of disagreement
45:59 The erotic, play and standing in love
53:43 The expansive value of the imagination
1:02:54 Messages, angels and hierarchies
1:14:36 Myths and crafts as guides

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Our first conversation is online here –